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I cannot find the answer anywhere. Yet it is such a simple question. HOW DO YOU PUT AN IMAGE ONTO WIKIPEDIA? Noone in this whole place seems to have bothered to put a page saying how it is done. Can someone please direct me to the right page? --Mark J 3 July 2005 08:12 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Picture tutorial under the Help/Contact Us link to the side. -- Essjay · Talk July 3, 2005 09:30 (UTC)

Mark, I have asked that very same question here before -- precisely because Wikipedia:Picture tutorial is really no help at all to anyone who just wants to get started: far too technical. Have a look at my post A beginner's guide to uploading images? (it's item no. 160) and the excellent help which User:Hermione1980 provided there. We do still need a more prominent "beginner's guide" to this area of Wikipedia. -- Picapica 3 July 2005 21:17 (UTC)

I have a request

I am israeli jew from jerusalem. I want to ask you, everyone who writes in this project but of course the jews of you to take this list: List of Jewish Americans enter to each biography and write there that this man is ajew! for us in israel, the holy land this is very important. thanks.

Is it possible to change your user name?

Hi. I was wondering if it's possible to change your user name once you've got an account? I'm regretting using my real, full name for reasons such as not particularly wanting my user page to come up on google searches etc. I definitely want an account so that people recognise my posts but think I'd rather go under a pseudonym. Any suggestions? Thanks, KG

Sorry, but user name changes are rather difficult, and as such, don't happen. You can create a new account with a new name, if you want. But it appears that it is too late to keep your user page from showing up in Google. -- Cyrius| 30 June 2005 00:43 (UTC)
Google has ways to remove cached pages on their site, if you contact them. Elfguy 30 June 2005 00:48 (UTC)
More information regarding changing usernames (which is no longer done) can be found at Wikipedia:Changing usernames. The page gives many helpful hints, though. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 30 June 2005 01:01 (UTC)


I've been wondering about this for quite some time. I regularily create pages of bands, for example Anti-Cimex. Is it appropriate for me to put redirects on all the pages reasonably similar to them such as anti-cimex, Anti-cimex or Anti Cimex? I don't think they have any other uses. thanks machinebuster

Just searching without the proper capital letters should bring the user to the right article anyways. If there are similar names for the same article then sure you should redirect them. Elfguy 30 June 2005 12:34 (UTC)
Nope, if you search for anti-cimex, it will say that page doesn't exist and Anti-Cimex doesn't come up under relevant articles. Should I put a redirect on it? machinebuster
Guidelines for redirects are at Wikipedia:Redirect. Searches for article titles, although generally case insensitive, are not if the software decides the article title is mixed case (I don't exactly understand why, but Anti-Cimex apparently counts as a mixed case title - I'm fairly certain Anti Cimex would not). If you add one redirect from, for example, Anti-cimex, any capitalization (including the dash) will match this redirect. -- Rick Block (talk) July 1, 2005 22:01 (UTC)

How to fix a page that was copy/pasted instead of properly moved?

I noticed that User:Chad1m had moved the page for Kerri Kenney to Kerri Kenney-Silver. I don't mind that he did this, I just know that copy/pasting is looked down on in Wikiland. So how do I go about fixing this or alternatively, how do I go about having someone else do it who is responsible for such things? Thanks, Dismas 30 June 2005 07:36 (UTC)

username problem while trying to register

I am trying to register/sign-in/create an account. I filled out the login page as it instructs for new users, but when I click Create Account I received a red text error message that says "You have not specified a valid username." On the off chance that my regular alias is deemed too ambiguous by the site, I tried my name in a standard "jdoe" format, but I got the same response. Please let me know if this is an error or if I need to try something else. Thanks.

Try capitalizing the first letter. Normally it's supposed to do this for you (usernames must be capitalized due to the title-forming rules in the wiki) but it looks like there's a bit of a bug and it's just rejecting lowercase. --Brion June 30, 2005 08:01 (UTC)

Translating an existing article

I found an article in English & want to translate it to another language. How am I going to save it? Is there an easy way such as "Save in language..." or so? It would be a useful feature, but there may be a useful workaround also I do not know...

Thanks for the help!

I'm not sure of the purpose why you do it, if it is to post on wikipedia, then simply go to and select the wikipedia version in your language, and post the article there. Elfguy 30 June 2005 12:34 (UTC)

How to reference Wilkipedia articles

I'm a UK student. I need to reference an article in Wikipedia. I cannot see an obvious guideline about how to do this.

Formal referencing for web pages ideally takes this format:

Author (Usually difficult and often not given online. What would you like? Wikipedia?)

Title - easy enough

Place, publisher, date. Hmmm. I can find a state if I hunt and there is an update date on the page in question. Is that what you would recommend, or is the article date somewhere?

URL & date accessed. That is simplicity itself.

It would be awfully helpful to have a link to note saying how you like to be cited.

Ethel Aardvark -- 30 June 2005 10:48 (UTC)

See Citing Wikipedia. Lupo 30 June 2005 10:55 (UTC)

Bambi ZaGaJadoon from


How can I include Mr. Bambi ZaGaJadoon in the Wikipedia.

Thank you.


Not sure what you mean, if you just want to start an article about a subject, see Help:Starting a new page Elfguy 30 June 2005 16:55 (UTC)

Silent users

Hmm. Special:Statistics tells me there's well over 300,000 registered users. The general stats here, whilst a year behind, give a figure of about 25-26,000 for May; call it maybe 28,000 now. These, on examination, are "Wikipedians who edited at least 10 times since they arrived", which accounts for some of the discrepancy.

But that much discrepancy? I find it quite surprising that 90% of Wikipedia registered accounts haven't edited even ten times... am I reading this correctly? Shimgray 30 June 2005 16:57 (UTC)

Do the maths. The page says:

we have 1,849,465 pages. Users have made 18,095,957 edits since July 2002; an average of 9.78 edits per page. We have 313,551 registered users

I don't really find it surprising that regular contributors are not very numerous. Elfguy 30 June 2005 17:01 (UTC)

10% of accounts actually being used seems a bit high for a web site, actually. Remember that the cost of creating an account is virtually zero. -- Cyrius| 30 June 2005 17:06 (UTC)
[head, meet desk]. I really should have noticed that line just above. Sorry :-)
Okay, I was reading it right. Hmm, interesting. Wonder if there's a power-law here... Shimgray 30 June 2005 17:08 (UTC)
If I read further (damn, I'm being sloppy today) there's a table of the distribution of number of edits/user, which is interesting - only 75,000 users or so have made at least one main-space edit. So less than a quarter... Shimgray 30 June 2005 17:26 (UTC)
Actually, that's not that bad. Most large forums (and even medium-sized ones) have trouble getting a 1% participation/posting rate. The fact remains: there are plenty of users who do not contribute, but there are also plenty of users who contribute a lot. Possibly too much.  ;) - 4 July 2005 06:15 (UTC)

Key to indicators on contribution page

I've searched for this, and I'm sure it's mindnumbingly simple, but I can't find the info.

In my list of contributions, some of them have a lower case m preceding the name of the article, and some are followed by this: (top)

I strongly suspect one or both of these indicates someone has, or is about to, take a look at my changes. Which I understand - but can someone clarify what it means for me? Much obliged.


  • The m indicates you've tagged your edit as minor (which should generally happen with spelling corrections and the like). (Top) indicates, your version is still the most recent version of the page. - Mgm|(talk) June 30, 2005 19:14 (UTC)
  • Note that there is no general mechanism to ensure that someone looks at all of your changes, or that every change is inspected. Many people put articles of interest on their watchlists and inspect changes to them. Others scan the Recent Changes and New Pages pages. There is no rota. Many things slip through. Somehow we manage. Bovlb 2005-06-30 21:07:14 (UTC)
  • From the HCI perspective, it would be a lot better if pages like this had keys, or links to specific help pages. It may be obvious to old-timers, but think of the newbie. Bovlb 2005-07-06 00:46:24 (UTC)

Created articles

How can I find out which articles I created? Ncik 30 Jun 2005

You can see them in 'My contributions' which is on the top right corner of your screen. I don't think there is any way to view just the list of articles that you started. Elfguy 30 June 2005 20:00 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/Ncik. Also, the "my contributions" link on the left. smoddy 30 June 2005 19:59 (UTC)
But even the contributions list doesn't seem to tag edits that were article creations as far as I can see. Do I really have to check each article I have edited so far to see which ones I created? There must be an easier way!? 01 Jul 2005
Unfortunately, not really. It will mark new articles that have not been edited by anyone else, but once an article has been edited by someone else, it will no longer mark articles you created in any special way. —Lowellian (talk) July 1, 2005 22:34 (UTC)
Is there a wish list where Wikipedians can suggest changes to developers? Ncik 02 Jul 2005
The official way is via Wikipedia:Bug reports. You could also try Wikipedia:General_complaints, but there's no guarantee anything posted there will get a developer's attention. -- Rick Block (talk) July 2, 2005 21:19 (UTC)

Science and Consciousness Review

The following was written by when he created the new page Science and Consciousness Review. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 29 June 2005 21:47 (UTC) Copied from archives, no responses.

mail me more on biomechnics and psychology to darwale2003 A Tyahoo d o t com and also i will like to register to the website account


It used to be that when I went to my watchlist, all the items were bolded; this is no longer the case. Is there a way to change it back? Meelar (talk) June 30, 2005 21:04 (UTC)

It's a bug in the new MediaWiki software. There was a page where you could list bugs that you found but I see that page has been removed... I don't know why though since these bugs are still around... Dismas 30 June 2005 21:16 (UTC)
The bug in question is that a new feature is supposed to bold watchlist items that have changed since you last visited them. And it didn't. -- Cyrius| 30 June 2005 21:27 (UTC)

How Many Edits Have I Made?

Does anybody know of a way to find out how many edits a user has made? I've been on a page once that told me my exact number of edits, but I completely forgot where it was. Can anybody help? Dragonfly888 30 June 2005 21:28 (UTC)

There's a link to "my contributions" on the top right corner of your screen. Elfguy 30 June 2005 21:55 (UTC)
There is also an edit counter at Angela. June 30, 2005 23:40 (UTC)
Thanks Angela, that's exactly what I was looking for! Seeya! Dragonfly888 2 July 2005 15:18 (UTC)


What is the purpose of the as yet empty article named "Flippancy"? Is it supposed to be one's biography? I know there's a rule that self-plugging pages are a no-no, so I'm keen on finding out what it's for before I do anything with it. Flippancy June 30, 2005 21:43 (UTC)

It's intended as a way to get to know one another. It's your user page. Put stuff there about you or the edits you've made or hobbies you have, etc. It's not exactly an article. Click on other people's user names to see what they've put on theirs if you want an example. Dismas 30 June 2005 21:53 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:User page for more. Best, Meelar (talk) June 30, 2005 21:56 (UTC)

Paul Curry's Out of this World

I read a recent Wikipedia article on Out of this World, a card trick that was invented by Paul Curry. The secret for this (and many other magic tricks) is NOT and should NOT be in the public domain.

The Internet has fostered a culture in which people behave as though they have the right to have any and all information for free. In the real world, this is not the case. Not all information should be provided to anyone free of charge.

I recently quit a job with a Fortune 500 company. If I were to post that company's trade secrets on Wikipedia, I would expect to be sued, with the company demanding damages. Why is it OK to post magician's trade secrets on Wikipedia? I can't come up with a compelling reason to do so. If Wikipedia decides to infringe on people's copyrights and trade secrets, I would imagine it will eventually cease to exist. I don't want to see that happen.

So how about it? Can we agree that there is some information that ought not to be included in Wikipedia? Could we start by removing the Out of this World article?

-Barry R. Fernelius

You seem to be referring to Out of This World (card trick). I note that an anonymous editor removed the section "The Secret" from this article earlier today with no edit summary. I suspect that it might reappear soon.

It seems to me that there are several distinct concepts that might apply here. I'll try to disentangle them. I am not a lawyer. I cannot give legal advice. Laws are not uniform across all jurisdictions.

  • Legal protection: There are traditionally two ways that the law allows someone to control the distribution and use of ideas: copyright and patent (and trademark, which is not relevant here). You use the term "public domain", which usually means something whose copyright or patent has expired, or for which the owner has explicitly revoked all his rights.
  • Copyright: This controls distribution of the specific expression of ideas, and derivative works thereof. No-one seems to be claiming that the text of this article (as opposed to the invention described) is not the original work of the Wikipedia contributor. If this is a copyright violation, however, then the text should be removed.
  • Patents: These restrict the exploitation of an invention, but do not restrict the publication of the method. On the contrary, patent application requires publication. I am not aware that magicians commonly patent their tricks, but note that Paul Curry is cited in U.S. Patent 5,580,056 (Block puzzle illusion of matter created and destroyed)[1]. The existence of a patent does not affect the Wikipedia article, but might make an interesting external link.
  • Trade Secret: Generally, legal protection for trade secrets is weak. You can sue people who contracted to keep it secret, but most jurisdictions will not help you put the genie back into the bottle.
  • Moral/Ethical obligation: You could argue that we have a moral obligation not to injure magicians' livelihoods unnecessarily. There was a recent discussion on Wikipedia about privacy issues, and whether we should list the phone numbers and social security numbers of celebrities, or the real names of pseudonymous authors, but I can't seem to find it right now.

It's not clear from your post above which, if any, of these arguments you are trying to make. The last one is probably the strongest. I can't find any web-sites that publish the same information, but it does appear than many people (including Paul Curry) have written books that purport to reveal this secret. Bovlb 2005-07-01 00:58:25 (UTC)

I agree that the last reason, Moral/Ethical obligation is the strongest argument. Also, I think that it is at least bad form to post Paul Curry's trick on the Wikipedia without obtaining Paul Curry's permission.

Also, there are a number of folks selling this trick (or variants thereof). There are a lot of 'how-to' books in many fields. If someone does a minor re-write of one these works, is it OK to post the content on Wikipedia?

I think that a description of the effect would be fine. Posting the secret is tacky, and not in the spirit of an encylopedia.


First I think it's ridiculous to think some information has to stay "secret". This is not an original creation, patented and kept in close secret. It's some general information about a card game. Second, from a legal stand point, if someone writes information on Wikipedia, it is totally legal to do so. If, however, that person broke an agreement with some company that forced him to keep the information secret, then that's between the person and the company, and Wikipedia has nothing to do with it. So in conclusion feel free to revert it all you want, but once information has been put into Wikipedia, it's always available in the history, and it will remain in the public domain forever. Elfguy 1 July 2005 05:39 (UTC)
  • I've had such a discussion before regarding the King Rising Levitation, see my talk page. - Mgm|(talk) July 1, 2005 08:27 (UTC)
  • And another instant edit war begins. Bovlb 2005-07-01 08:52:58 (UTC)

Elfguy is mistaken; Out of this World IS an original creation. It was created by Paul Curry. It's not a card game; it's a card trick. And no, entering information into Wikipedia does NOT automatically make that information 'in the public domain.'

Try this experiment. Enter the entire text of the next Harry Potter book into the Wikipedia. I'll guarantee that this will not enter this information into the public domain!


Barry, information cannot be copyrighted. Only expression can be copyrighted. If you're alleging that the article in particular copies the words used in some magic textbook or publication, then that's a copyright violation. But if you're alleging (as it seems you are) that the text doesn't come from a copyrighted work, but describes a process that its inventor would like to remain secret, that's not a copyright violation. That's just not how copyright works, plain and simple. If we did reproduce the text of Harry Potter then that would be a copyright violation. But if (as we do) describe, in our own words, the contents of Harry Potter, that's not a copyright violation, and we're perfectly within our rights to do so. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 1, 2005 21:45 (UTC)
With the Harry Potter example, there's derivative work issues, but that's irrelevant to an uncopyrightable card trick. -- Cyrius| 2 July 2005 16:37 (UTC)
So screw what is right/wrong and just do what you can get away with under the law? There is NO REASON for the explanation to the effects being put up in wikipedia. The purpose is to inform laymen about the subject, not expose the theory. An article for this effect should include what the effect does(in the eyes of a laymen), its history, where you can purchase it, and perhaps different variations on the effect. The secret SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN OUT due to a legal loophole. It is still ethically wrong and you shouldn't use law to justify your unethical behavior.--MacGyver07 2 July 2005 22:06 (UTC)

Copyright a magic trick? I think what you meant to say was "Patent right". Copyright protects published works - literary, scientific, and anything tangible, from being uncontrollably reproduced. When you wish to protect a technique for your own personal use, so you can feed your family and pay the rent, you must file a _patent_ with the US. patent office. A patent restricts the usage of an invention (i.e. a unique, unprecedented idea) to one person.

There is a problem inherent with patenting magic tricks since you must publicize the information and make it freely accessible (35 U.S.C. Sect 10) Unless it's a national security issue (sect 181)-- and the patent must eventually expire in 14 or 20 years (sects 173, 156 - I think...). Second: since secrecy is essential to magic, the origins of any Magic tricks are hard to discover - making claims of inventor-ship difficult. Magic tricks often fall under the _novelty_ clause (35 U.S.C. Sect 102) of patent law which denies patents to inventions which were "known or used by others in this country." Trade secrets that are shared and used among an entire industry make it ineligible for protection under the law. Ultimately, the only protection you have against blabbermouths is via unofficial means (oaths of secrecy, appeals to ethics and morality, mafia retaliations etc.). You cannot claim any legal protection.

Refer to U.S.C. consolidated laws here CONSOLIDATED PATENT LAWS - United States Code Title 35 - Patents. It's a very readable explanation of patent law. Also Wikipedia patent article is pretty clean explanation. P.S. I'm not a lawyer. And, I can't speak about a magic trick has been patented out side of the US. If anybody knows - I'd be interested in how that works. And - there just might be magic tricks that ARE patented (note the article's incorrect use of the word "copyright"). If anyone knows any please also let me know. Finally for the guy who claims this is patented: this trick may very well be patented: please cite the pat. number for me - I'm interested. Seriously, not being facetious

Let me say this again. With force and clarity for those who missed it. A patent protects others from using your invention. It does not keep it secret. Indeed, when you patent a magic trick, you must publicize the mechanics of how it works. The word "patent" comes from the Latin "patens," past participle of "patere" which means "to be open". That is, you must "lay open" your invention. A visit to the U.S. Patent office shows how this works The patent for the Ipod user interface--Muchosucko 3 July 2005 10:28 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Out of This World (card trick)#Request for comment. Bovlb 2005-07-04 18:22:32 (UTC)

1)why does it take forever to ... 2) is it bad wiki-form to...

Sorry, I have two questions, and I don't dare try to post twice, because if the help desk has become anything like the VfD office...

  • Question 1: why does it take forever now to get one's vote or comment onto VfD? I've tried multiple saves, various magical-thinking formulas of "see change", "see preview", "refresh", go away and come back - there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to how you get your words to stick in place. Yes, if you go away for hours, it will usually be there when you come back. Or it may just head up a whole list of votes/comments that haven't shown up on the page yet. Why is this happening? And is there a magical-thinking formula I haven't tried that works?
There was a bug introduced in the latest software upgrade that made the save button go to the preview option frequently. It seems to have been fixed so this may have been what happened. Elfguy 1 July 2005 05:39 (UTC)
  • Question 2: I have just sort of finished a list project that seemed very interesting at first, then got quite boring in the middle, but finally ended up forcing me to think about some really fascinating things I'd never considered. But pulling together the list was what whacked me on the head to understand that. Many people looking at it will probably be left with my middle impression, if they haven't skipped on to something more sparkly. Is it appropriate to put some comments on the article talk page about what one might find in the list if one were to look at it as something beyond a list? Or should I just keep my keyboard quiet? --Mothperson 1 July 2005 02:57 (UTC)
Uhm you can write whatever you think best on the talk page. It is however no guaranty that people will read it, before pressing the revert button. Elfguy 1 July 2005 05:39 (UTC)

Using "The" in titles and page names

Is there a hard and fast rule on the proper use of "The" in titles and page names? I am looking at [New_York_City_newspapers] and noticed some titles have "The" at the beginning - and most don't. - tdempsey 1 July 2005 09:49 (UTC)

The rule is to never do it, unless you need to do it. That is, don't do it unless there is a very very good reason to, e.g. The Ashes, where the definite article is part of the name. smoddy 1 July 2005 09:57 (UTC)
I agree. Just verifying the rule. tdempsey 1 July 2005 10:17 (UTC)
Don't you mean The rule? ;-) hydnjo talk 1 July 2005 19:19 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name):
If the name of the article is not the title of a work, an official name, or another proper name, avoid the definite ("the") and indefinite ("a"/"an") articles at the beginning of a page name.
The name of The Wall Street Journal is The Wall Street Journal, with the definite article. The name of the New York Post is just New York Post. Thus one article name has a "The" in front and the other does not. -- Cyrius| 2 July 2005 16:32 (UTC)

About video game walkthroughs and reviews

Dear Sir or Madam, Are Wikipedia members allowed to write video game walkthroughs and reviews or not? I'm wondering about this because I want to write one, but the thought of Wikipedia not allowing that left me wondering if they would allow it or not. Please take your time to answer this question. --Shocko7 July 1, 2005 12:59 (UTC)

Not in wikipedia, but they're very welcome in our sister project, wikibooks. See wikibooks:Computer_and_video_games_bookshelf. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 1, 2005 16:41 (UTC)

formatting problem

  • Wiki bug, need help reporting. ==

hey, there is a problem with headers cutting into templates because of some recent change someone made to wikipedia. I tried to report the bug but don't know how to do it correctly.

This problem only shows up in internet explorer 6.

Here is an example:

See how the header cuts into the table?

Can somebody fix this? Most people use internet explorer. ScifiterX 1 July 2005 03:18 (UTC)

I recieved the above on my talk page. I don't use explorer, and have no idea's regarding the technical aspects, but would appreciate it if someone who knows more than I takes a look at it.
Thanks, ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 1 July 2005 13:56 (UTC)
  • Looks OK on both IE(5.2) and Safari(1.3). hydnjo talk 1 July 2005 19:15 (UTC)

Someone else made a change to the MediaWiki monobook.css that caused the problem. I have removed the relevant line, fixing the problem, which is why the problem is not showing up anymore. —Lowellian (talk) July 1, 2005 22:31 (UTC)

There's not any need to file a bug report, by the way. —Lowellian (talk) July 1, 2005 22:32 (UTC)

Google Earth kml file


i am unable to upload a google earth file (kml). any plans to allow it soon?

  • I'm not sure what would be the point of having a .kml file here. Who would be able to see it? The articles are supposed to have text and images only, so anyone with a browser can see them. Plus doesn't the program EULA prohibit that? May want to just take a screenshot. Elfguy 1 July 2005 19:44 (UTC)
  • Nope. If we'd allow these images, we'd be breaking copyrights left and right. - 4 July 2005 12:30 (UTC)

Watch list no longer watching

Sometime during the last 10 hours or so, my watch list has stopped watching. I checked my list, and everything is still on it, but no news comes through. Is this a general problem, or just mine? Getting a wee bit paranoid. --Mothperson 1 July 2005 15:25 (UTC)

No, it's a general problem. There is a bug report filed. smoddy 1 July 2005 15:36 (UTC)
This wouldn't have anything to do with my own watchlist suddenly going blank for no reason, would it? -- Extraordinary Machine 1 July 2005 21:42 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Watchlist bug for more information about this. -- Rick Block (talk) July 1, 2005 21:50 (UTC)

Search command question

How long it takes for the new entries in an article to be found using the search command? Tavilis

--Tavilis 1 July 2005 16:33 (UTC)

  • Usually it's instantanious, but since wikipedia uses cache servers sometime it may take a few minutes. Elfguy 1 July 2005 19:44 (UTC)
    • Minor clarification - new articles can be found by article title nearly instantaneously. Searches via Special:Search use an index that is only periodically updated. I'm not sure, but I'd imagine the index was rebuilt during the recent software change. Last I heard, index rebuilds are only initiated manually so it may take considerable time (days, perhaps even weeks) for new content to show up in these searches. -- Rick Block (talk) July 1, 2005 21:48 (UTC)

Changes to Upload Page Since Software Upgrade

Hello everyone,

I mostly try to help out wikipedia by adding images to existing article under a creative commons attribution licence. However, since the software upgrade a week or so ago, I noticed this text is now on the upload page:

If you upload a file here to which you hold the copyright, you must license it under the GNU Free Documentation License or release it into the public domain.

Am I to understand that wikipedia is no longer accepting images under creative commons free licences?

Thanks for the help --CGP July 1, 2005 17:38 (UTC)

  • I don't think the licenses have changed recently. I think there is a distinction between uploading images here in en.wikipedia and in commons. Plenty of images are being uploaded under a variety of free licenses, and even fair use. Elfguy 1 July 2005 19:42 (UTC)



I happen to be watching "The Practice" as I type this, and we decided to look up an actress called Carolyn McCormick on Wikipedia.

For some reason, the photo on your article is the wrong one. It shows Kelli Williams, who plays another longstanding character. This can be checked on

"Kelli Williams .... Lindsay Dole Donnell (1997-2003)"

I can see how the mistake happenned, because the picture seems to be a screenshot from an episode that both actresses are in. Details below (again from IMDB)

"The Practice" playing "Dr. Catherine Nesbit" in episode: "Food Chains" (episode # 2.25) 6 April 1998

I'm really sorry, I have no photo to put on the site....but the one there is definitely wrong. I tried to correct it myself but can't.

  • I removed it. hopefully someone will be able to confirm and get the right pic there. Elfguy 1 July 2005 19:39 (UTC)

Article Authorship

Dear WikiP,

I recently discovered your great project and even made a correction to an article I was reading. However, I can't seem to find any way to determine the authorship of anything -- even my own correction, while accepted, is not "credited". I'm not concerned about credit for every minor correction, but if users don't know who wrote the major sections of a given article, how do they have any way of veryfiying whether or not it's accurate or even biased? Admittedly, anyone can create an account and use a false name and create all sorts of articles, but I'd think most folks, especially experts in their field who contribute, would want to be known as the source of an artcile.

Is Wikipedia deliberatly anonymous to encourage free discussion? Or is there a way to determine authorship but I'm just not seeing it?

Thanks in advance.

Welcome to Wikipedia! Wikipedia is a free-content encyclopedia, which means that anyone can read and edit it. We encourage you to log-in and create an account, though. See Wikipedia:Why create an account?. If you are interested in the page history and the authors, all you have to do is click the "history" tab, which will show you a list of revisions and their respective authors. However, most of us don't use our real names. Despite this, the vast majority of our articles are factually correct, being constantly revised and edited and fact-checked by multiple people. If you wish to be identified as an expert in a field, you can put it on your user page once you create an account.
Thanks once again to Wikipedia! I hope you create an account and join us! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 1 July 2005 21:31 (UTC)
Look at very top lines of each page.
  • Top line has connections to stuff YOU done, such as your TALK page, your contributions, your watch list.
  • Second line at top has connections to stuff that is important to THIS page.
    • Check HISTORY ... this shows links to history of changes and additions to this page, including links to the people who did stuff, and ability to compare two versions to see net changes.

AlMac 2 July 2005 04:44 (UTC)

Watchlist Page

Today all of my watchlist for the past up to today does not show. I have approximately 26 pages on my watchlist and up until today it has been an excellent source for watching articles of interest. Is there some reason why they would not show past history? When I press the buttons to show activity for the past hours and days, nothing shows. Any assistance to allow me to recover this data would be appreciated. Thank you. Storm Rider 1 July 2005 21:52 (UTC)

Page for a Forum

I was wondering if it is okay to create a page similar to for a different forum, with less ads, all non profit. The site is , and then to mention it in the external links of the providers we disscuss.

-- chaud

  • That article shouldnt even exist, there's no reason to put a page about every internet forums. Elfguy 2 July 2005 02:21 (UTC)

Regardless of that, last time I created something very similar, the account was banned. So...

Removing a misnammed image file.

I'm certain this isn't a new question but I couldn't find an answer in the FAQ's. I suspect one has to "know" where the answer might be and click down the correct branch of the tree. Couldn't find an obvious "Search FAQs for keywords" mechanism.

I uploaded a graphics file Loco162.jpg and then realized that it should have been named Loco620.jpg. While I could have simply changed my Wiki-code from 620 to 162 the Locomotive actually has #620 on it and anyone who looked at the filename would have been confused, likely assuming I had posted the wrong Locomotive picture.

I have uploaded Loco620.jpg but now I need someone with the correct permissions to PLEASE blow away Loco162.jpg for me.

Thanks folks- Verne

Deleted. The information you were looking for is at Wikipedia:Deletion policy; in your case, adding a {{deletebecause}} on the image description page with the justification would have been enough. --cesarb 2 July 2005 00:53 (UTC)

Thanks CesarB! Verne R. Walrafen 2 July 2005 07:49 (UTC)

G8 page has been defaced

Can anyone explain this please. The page on the G8 group of industrialised nations contains a paragraph which reads as follows:-

"On February 18th, 6098, United States Senators bobs ur uncle and [seymore butts]] called for Russia to be suspended from the G8 until democratic and political freedoms are ensured by Russian President Vladimir Putin."

Clearly this text has been defaced. So I tried to fix it by editing the page, but in the editing window, there's nothing wrong. Here's what it says :-

"On February 18th, 2005, United States Senators Joe Lieberman and John McCain called for Russia to be suspended from the G8 until democratic and political freedoms are ensured by Russian President Vladimir Putin."

How can this be?

Another user probably fixed it while you were looking at the page. Howabout1 Talk to me! July 2, 2005 02:09 (UTC)

When you click "edit", it loads up a copy of the most recent version of the page for you to edit; in this case, someone had fixed the vandalism between the time you read it and the time you tried to edit, so the version you were editing was the "newest" - you'd also have seen it corrected had you reloaded the page. Pages which tend to attract a lot of vandalism also attract a lot of users watching them, so vandalism tends to be removed quickly. Shimgray 2 July 2005 02:14 (UTC)

"Kainah" First Nation

I have made some changes to the page for the Kainai first nation. "Kainai" is the preferred usage, with "Kainaiwa" being an alternate usage. My edits have reflected this, but the heading of the page still says "Kainah".

I am a member of the tribe, and have worked for the tribe for over 10 years, and no one that I know uses "Kainah" to refer to our tribe - no one uses this spelling on our reserve.

Is there any way to get this heading changed to "Kainai" instead of "Kainah"? As well, it might be useful to have "Blood", or "Blood Tribe" included in brackets after the name "Kainai" in the head.

I will be doing further work on this entry, but I think it is important that this change be made, if possible.


Email is if you have any questions.

See Wikipedia:Requested moves for the procedure. --cesarb 2 July 2005 03:11 (UTC)
Changed. Elfguy 2 July 2005 03:31 (UTC)

If you are being told you have zero edits during voting...

(from meta:Elections for the Board...)

Sorry, you made only 0 edits before 00:00, 30 May 2005. You need at least 400 to be able to vote.
  • The above message may be because the Elections for the Board of Trustees link in the notice has brought you to Meta-Wiki, thus the vote link is now within Meta. Go back to your preferred Wiki and try to vote there. (SEWilco 20:07, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC))
And also ask your local administrator(s) to fix the sitenotice. Thanks. --Aphaia | Translate Election | ++ 20:17, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Say, en:Administrator: "fix the sitenotice". Whatever that means. Maybe there should be a copy of "Elections for the Board of Trustees" in en:? (SEWilco 2 July 2005 04:35 (UTC))



DefaultSettings.php on my website has been accidentally edited (language change) and I now get the following messages errors when I try to access my Wikipedia, what can I do? Thanks.

Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/DefaultSettings.php:1092) in /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/OutputPage.php on line 391

Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/DefaultSettings.php:1092) in /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/OutputPage.php on line 324

Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/DefaultSettings.php:1092) in /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/OutputPage.php on line 352

Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/DefaultSettings.php:1092) in /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/OutputPage.php on line 353

Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/DefaultSettings.php:1092) in /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/OutputPage.php on line 355

Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/DefaultSettings.php:1092) in /home/fr-novar/public_html/RomanWiki/includes/OutputPage.php on line 404

You could try downloading a new one from CVS. Angela. July 2, 2005 06:52 (UTC)
It did work. Thanks a lot!! Jean Noel Tribolo

Forgot to login before I edited an article

I did some copy-editing on an article and saved my changes before realizing that I had forgotten to log in. The revision history of course shows my IP address rather than my user name for this change. Is there any easy or recommended way to "take responsibility" or credit for the changes that ought to have been tagged with my username rather than my IP address? --Brandon 2 July 2005 07:58 (UTC)

The simple answer is "no", I'm afraid. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 2 July 2005 11:11 (UTC)
It is no longer possible to reassign anonymous edits to an account (see Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit), but if you want other users to know that the edits are yours, maybe you can accomplish that by writing a note about it on the article's talkpage. Good luck. Sietse 2 July 2005 13:41 (UTC)

How is the copyedit needed banner removed?

  1. Please actually ask a question (and sign it) — don't just leave a heading like this.
  2. If you're absolutely sure that you've done the required work, then delete the template. If you don't know what the template is, then it's unlikely that you've done the required work.
  3. As a corollary, I've noticed a number of cases in which editors have removed "wikify" or "copyedit" templates, having done very little (or even nothing) to wikify or copy-edit the articles in question. Please don't do this. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 2 July 2005 11:14 (UTC)
If you don't know how to remove the copyedit notice, then you probably shouldn't be removing it. -- Cyrius| 2 July 2005 16:25 (UTC)

Personal Attack

I do not appreciate you people allowing the cretins at to post this sort of lies about me. Please have this removed. Ashida Kim

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Ashida Kim is the pseudonym of self-proclaimed ninja Radford William Davis, best known for his books on ninjitsu and martial arts published during the 1970s and 1980s. Other pseudonyms include Christopher Hunter.

Leader of the Black Dragon Society form of Koga Ryu Ninjitsu. Teaches forms such as Iron body, stealth, and Taijitsu.Due to claims of practicing and teaching supernatural and magical abilities such as invisibility, telepathic mind control and death touches, as well as offering mail-order black belt programs in a belt factory fashion [1], Ashida Kim is regarded as a fraud by many in the field of martial arts.

  • First of all, Wikipedia is an open encyclopedia, which means anyone can come and write anything. If you disagree with what is written, you can edit it, and rewrite it. However, please remember the guidelines such as making sure the article is NPOV and also remember this is an encyclopedic site, not a site to publish auto-biographies. Elfguy 2 July 2005 17:14 (UTC)

Wanting to provide a link via allergy related website

Dear Madam/Sir My husband and I are opening up an allergy based website in Australia, serving (hopefully) worldwide to allergy sufferers over 600 products for example, wheat free,gluten free, dairy free foods etc and natural organic products, nutritional advice, books and chat rooms for allergy sufferers.

As personally, I do use your WIkipedia resources for certain ingredients for foods as my little 3 year old boy has multiple food allergies and can die if he eats particular foods, I find Wikepedia vital to my every day living. In saying this, I believe that everyone should be aware of this website, it is very informative and highly interesting in general.

Please I look to you for permission to provide a link and write up about your website, in particular the food/ingredient area of your site. We anticipate opening mid July 2005 and therefore look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.

Our website will be named (and .au) and we hope you can also provide a support to us, which fortunately most of our manufacturers, product companies and the like have also been upmost helpful and assisted in any way possible.

Look forward to hearing from you.


You don't need to ask for permission to link to us. Feel free to do so. You can also directly copy our material and put it on your website as long as you also state that you got it from here and provide a link to the page you got it from. As for support, if you need any technical advice I'm sure there would be many here able and willing to help you. But if you are talking about financial support, then you need to know that we are not a company and rely on charitable donations ourselves, so we cannot help you out with money. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 2 July 2005 12:54 (UTC)

...and sorry but but we don't maintain commercial links if that is what you meant. alteripse 2 July 2005 16:46 (UTC)

electric field intensity due to a volume charge

hello!i'am an engineering student doing my second year here in india.i have an assignment regarding electric field intensity due to volume charges.i don't know much about volume charges. i have to submit my assignment within two days.i need a full derivation about my topic. can anybody help me soon?

For questions on factual topics (eg. Who is the pope?) see Wikipedia:Reference desk. Good luck! Notinasnaid 2 July 2005 13:18 (UTC)

Adding a table aligned to the right

I'm trying to add a table to the top of the Angers page. Currently, there is an image at the top right. When I add my table it sandwiches between the text and the image. I want it to appear below the image, aligned on the right. Thank you for your help.

--Vitamin D 2 July 2005 17:57 (UTC)

One way to do this is to surround the image and table with a HTML "div", as explained at Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial#Co-aligning like images. Note that if you do this, the pixel width must be specified to ensure all browsers are able to properly render it (at least IE and Mozilla have problems figuring out how wide the div should be). -- Rick Block (talk) July 2, 2005 22:17 (UTC)

Corporate Personhood

Jay Jacobus

Why not Corporate Statehood, as in:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"


Please refer all factual questions to the Reference Desk. Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 2 July 2005 21:30 (UTC)


Is there something going on with Image:Example.jpg? On the WP:MIND (Mind Benders) page that I am maintaining, I see a picture of Lego men and the words "Owned" on the picture. Yet when I click on it, it takes me to the right Example.jpg. THe code in the page is still for example.jpg. Seems weird. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 2 July 2005 22:00 (UTC)

P.S. I can't miss this promo opportunity! All Wikipedians are encouraged to submit entries for our logo competition. Afterwards, there will be an open vote open to everyone starting on July 16. The vote will determine the winner of the pre-round artistic competition. Also on July 16, Round One will open. The round consists of approximately ten mind-boggling, logic/intellectual questions that promises to be WikiFun for all! So why not come join us- submit an entry, vote, and then participate!

All the pages that link to Example.jpg seem to be fine (there's only five or six) except for Mind Benders and User:Harajuku. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 2 July 2005 22:03 (UTC)
It would be a clear case of clear your cache — except that you needed to do it on Image:Example.jpg itself. The image was vandalized, disguised as a revert, and since it's common on newbie tests you had it cached. The thumb version is uncommon, so you didn't have it cached. --cesarb 2 July 2005 22:09 (UTC)
Thanks very much! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 2 July 2005 22:57 (UTC)

Content Box

I searched thourgh wikipedia but I couldn't find any information about the "Contents box" appearing on the top of each article and showing all the sections. First, how many sections is needed, or how does the page size have to be, for the Contents box to appear. And is there a way to make it vanish from the page (It's bothering my User page]]. Thank you. 500LL July 2, 2005 22:04 (UTC)

This box is called the table of contents, see Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page#Table of Contents. To make it go away, you can add "__NOTOC__" to the article. -- Rick Block (talk) July 2, 2005 22:10 (UTC)
  • You shouldn't add it to regular articles, as that would impact others as well, I think there's a preference if you want it on articles as well. TOCs appear when there's at least 3 sections. - Mgm|(talk) July 3, 2005 09:08 (UTC)
I will only add it to my User page, it's bothering it.500LL July 6, 2005 13:16 (UTC)

Related pieces of writing.

I was wondering if there was a way to add a link to a long piece of writing to an already existing wikipedia entry. For example, I have written a 12-page paper on Elmore James and his influence. I would like to make it accessible from the existing entry on Elmore James, but just copy and pasting it would make the entry way too long. It would be good if people could go there for quick reference, and if they have a lot of interest, they could then click a link to read my paper. Is there a way to do this with the editing functions?

If the material is good and not copyrighted, go ahead and put it into the article. Expect it to be edited. Feel free to contribute. alteripse 3 July 2005 00:03 (UTC)

Even if it is really long? Is there a way I can make a new sub-catagory for the table of contents within the entry, so I can put it there? Corporal Klegg 3 July 2005 04:23 (UTC)

Actually, I just read the Five Pillars of Wikipedia, and discovered the no original research rule. Does this mean there is no place on wikipedia for my paper (which includes original reasearch), or can I still put it somewhere in the article. (I don't know if I can put it into "external links" because it isn't posted anywhere else on the internet.) Corporal Klegg 3 July 2005 04:55 (UTC)

This is not a place for original research. If you have text you have written that describes a subject in a NPOV view that's fine, but not if it's an article that describes unproven and unsupported theories. Elfguy 3 July 2005 05:13 (UTC)
We'd rather you just use the knowledge you gained while writing your paper to expand the existing article. Add a few facts! Isomorphic 3 July 2005 05:53 (UTC)

Well, you can get a feel for this place by the range of our recommendations. I would still recommend putting in what you are sure of and we don't already have. Offer some of your more original assertions on the talk page and see what responses you get from the people who watch the article. Go for it. alteripse 3 July 2005 18:25 (UTC)

Unicode compliance

I keep seeing the message: "WARNING: Your browser is not unicode compliant, please change it before editing an article." What does this mean? Is it life-threatening? How do I fix it? MulgaBill 3 July 2005 00:54 (UTC)

It means that using it to edit articles can cause funny question marks to appear in place of some characters when the page is saved. The quickest way to fix it is to download a modern browser, for instance Mozilla Firefox. Just for curiosity, which browser are you using currently? --cesarb 3 July 2005 01:33 (UTC)
I'm using Internet Explorer 5.2 for Mac. I haven't noticed any "funny questions marks". MulgaBill 3 July 2005 01:50 (UTC)
See meta:Browser issues with MediaWiki#Character encoding; it says there Mac IE can damage non-ASCII characters when editing. --cesarb 3 July 2005 02:03 (UTC)
And if you want to stick with IE, you might want to upgrade to 5.5 or 6. - Mgm|(talk) July 3, 2005 09:12 (UTC)
Does IE 5.5 or 6 for Mac exist? --cesarb 3 July 2005 13:53 (UTC)
The last version of Internet Explorer for Mac is 5.2.3, which hasn't been updated in two years. IE Mac is effectively a dead product. -- Cyrius| 3 July 2005 17:18 (UTC)



To steal from Strong Bad:
"Number A, you don't have to shout. Do you know how many Internet etiquette laws you're breaking by typing in all caps like that? Well, you're breaking one: Don't type in all caps."
Let me get this straight. You're looking for an article about LAX noise pollution from the 1970s that has a picture of a boy named Joey Lucas holding a cat? You're going to have to give us some sort of hint here. It's not exactly a trivial thing to look through a decade's worth of newspapers and magazines, largely unindexed by modern search engines. A title would be useful. -- Cyrius| 3 July 2005 17:30 (UTC)

Newspaper Morgue Suggestion

Most newspapers get copied to microfilm, stored in the basement of both the local public library of major cities, and in some dusty closet of the newspaper itself & I believe this microfilm office is called a Morgue (not the kind that has dead bodies to be autopsied.

At time of microfilming, some info went to some kind of index, so that people could search the index for some story, learn date title of story, what microfilm code location it is at, and go look up the original story. At least that is how it was done before the age of computers that look like Personal Computers, networked or not.

Some of these old storage places are open to the general public. So I suggest you head on over to your public library to find out if they have this kind of deal that would let you look up what you interested in. Ditto the various newspaper offices. Plan on spending several days at each newspaper microfilm place, unless you got more info than you stated. AlMac

Political Action Group Suggestion

The notion of airplanes flying over people homes and making a horrible racket has long been a controversial topic, in which various political groups seek to change how the airline industry operates.

Similarly, the airport industry needs to have runways and flight space towards them to avoid risk of crashing into those people houses. Getting the real estate to do so, is also a big political football.

I suggest you go looking for the special interest groups that are interested in doing something about airplane noise flying over homes, and improving right of way for airplanes approaching and leaving airports. They may have resources that you can use. AlMac 3 July 2005 18:39 (UTC)

Monica Dickens.

I think that people whould be careful before they make comments about a famous person on Wikipedia as children use that information as though it is the absolute truth. Where does it confirm that Monica Dickens was expelled from St Pauls School, and also which of her books was published posthumously?

  • While I'd applaud people trying to confirm our sources, it would also help to educate people not to take any source as the absolute truth in the first place. Which of her books was published posthumously should be easy enough to find out. Look up the day she died and go to a bookstore to find what her last book was and when it was published. - Mgm|(talk) July 3, 2005 09:15 (UTC)


Where can I view my contributions with only one media type? For example, I used to be able to view only my image contributions, template contributions etc. Is that feature still available? • Thorpe • 3 July 2005 10:12 (UTC)

Apparently not; see Wikipedia:MediaWiki 1.5 bugs#Missing items from User Contributions page. Sietse 3 July 2005 11:45 (UTC)

Translating content from the English website to the Italian/German or vice versa

I had a look at the help pages regarding translations. I speak 3 languages and I thougth I could edit some content from the English to the Italian and vice versa, and from German to English. I notice that often the articles from one "version" of Wikipedia (english for example) to the other "versions" (italian for example) are different. Is it considered plagiarism to just entirely translate an article from one language to the other? And should I cite the content or just edit and give it a go? Thanks for your answer. Account name Aralerm

It's not considered plagarism, and you are positively encouraged to translate info between articles. There's no requirement for articles in different languages to mesh, but it's nice when information can cross the language barrier. One article I largely wrote has been translated wholesale into German, and I couldn't have been happier about that. As to credit, I'd just put "translated from the german wikipedia" (or whatever) as the edit summary. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 3, 2005 10:59 (UTC)

Seeing a users contributions?

When I'm at a user page, is there anywhere I can click on the page to see that user's contributions?

Not unless they make a link to it themselves. Some users do. You can look by going to special:contributions/username. Howabout1 Talk to me! July 3, 2005 20:23 (UTC)

The link labeled "User contributions" (on the left, in the toolbox section) does this. -- Rick Block (talk) July 3, 2005 20:34 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know that. Howabout1 Talk to me! July 3, 2005 20:45 (UTC)


Is there a way to figure out what pictures are available on Wikipedia? --HappyCamper 3 July 2005 20:31 (UTC)

Special:Search searches images (and can be restricted to search only for images). If you want to browse existing images, all images should be in one of the categories rooted at category:Wikipedia images. -- Rick Block (talk) July 3, 2005 20:41 (UTC)


To: Wikipedia

The Protoscience catagory was missing for a while. When someone erases a link or page can you put it back automatically. Wikipedia should control which erased pages should stay erased. I'am not able to respond to the messages that were send to me in Wikipedia.

Searching fro new articles

Hello! About an hour ago, I have edited an article about a Slovenian musical performer, Robert Pesut aka Magnifico. Before I have done that, if I wanted to search for an article in the search box, I would find only a page with list of famous Slovenians (or something like that), a list of people named Mag- and another similar page + a couple of pages with no relation to the person I was writing about. I would like to emphasize, that ABSOLUTELY nothing had been written before my editing, so I thought that that was the reason, why I couldn't get to the article directly from search box. But even after I fully edited the page, there was the same thing - no direct access (I thought that the name of the article, Robert Pesut Magnifico would pop up after putting those words in search box). Altough, the article itself seemed fine, with all the edits properly in place.

Please help! (I am quite knew here, so I would prefer a simple answer) Thanks to anyone who responds!

Lifer 21

Hi - looking at the contributions from the IP address you're using, Special:Contributions/, I don't think I'm seeing the article you're talking about. Can you provide a wikilink to the article? For example I see edits you've made to Oksana Akinshina. BTW - these sorts of problems are usually easier to chase down if you create and use a login. -- Rick Block (talk) July 3, 2005 22:38 (UTC)

Link to Magnifico

Yeah, sure. Here's the link.

By the way, if I login and than wait like 15 minutes and open ANOTHER browser window, before uploading images I have to login again! Why is that?

Lifer 21

Try linking this way: Robert Pesut Magnifico. It's simpler. Our search engine isn't worth much sometimes. In the picture is he really doing what it looks like he's doing? alteripse 3 July 2005 23:10 (UTC)

  • The index of pages the search engine uses needs to be updated periodically. That's why you can't find the new page immediately. The best thing you can do is make it visible in related lists, articles and categories to make sure it's picked up quickly by outside search engines. - Mgm|(talk) July 4, 2005 08:31 (UTC)

How do I start a new page with a name that has been 'taken'?

There is a page describing 'bulb' - but this is plant-related.

If I were to start at page on the photography meaning of the word 'bulb', how would I do that?

Add the information to the bulbpage allready there? Or start at new page named 'Bulb (photography)' or somthing like that? /Rob

You'd call the article bulb (photography) or flashbulb. Note that the second article already exists, so you probably (in this case) want to add to it. I'll add a link to bulb so that folks can find flash version. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 3, 2005 23:57 (UTC)
Thanks a lot :o) What I was thiking was this:
"'Bulb' is a shutter-speed setting on an adjustable camera that allows for time exposures. When set on B, the shutter will stay open as long as the shutter release button remains depressed."


Oh, I see what you mean (not a flashbulb at all, but one of those squeezy rubber things). Yep, that sounds like a start. One word of advice - wikipedia frowns upon "dictionary definitions" of words (that is, articles which just define a word the way a dictionary would). I think the bulb you mean isn't just that (and so would be okay) but it's wise to start a new article with a full paragraph or two, just so folks who don't know the field won't brand your new article a "dic-def". So, in addition to what you've got above, I'd add why it's called bulb (that'll be the squeezy rubber thing) and describe the circumstances in which someone would use the bulb setting. You could also describe the results someone would expect, the equipment they'd use, and maybe say whether the setting is still used in fully-automatic cameras. Stuff like that. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 4, 2005 00:22 (UTC)
If you do only want to add a dictionary definition, you can do that at our sister project, Wiktionary. Angela. July 4, 2005 05:43 (UTC)

Well now I've done it: Created a page on bulb (photography) - my first article. Please let me know if I've done something wrong.


Strange spam-like comment in taxonomy references

Hi there!

I was looking at the Greater Roadrunner and Coyote references (for reasons which will be obvious to fans of Chuck Jones cartoons), and noticed a strange entry in the taxonomy. The 'Class' heading is replaced by an ad for sphagnum moss art (bizarrely enough). Looking at the wiki source, though, it doesn't seem to be there and it's not in the page history, so I assume it's in the definition of the Taxobox_classis_entry style. You can see a cropped screen capture of what I see at - between Phylum and Order on the left hand side of the Scientific Classification section.

Please email me at if you want to correspond directly.

Have fun,


This was due to a change to template:classis which has been reverted. -- Rick Block (talk) July 4, 2005 02:08 (UTC)

Lokking for Information on M.Beck Bringing words to life

BTK Research

I was conducting research on the BTK Serial Killing and came across this page. It has very good information, except for the 2 pictures of a penis located at the top of the page, one flacid and the other is erect... Someone should fix that.

More picture help needed

I uploaded this Image:IntersymbolInterferenceEyeDiagram2arySignaling.JPG, and I am having a difficult time figuring out how to tag it properly. Could someone point me to the right direction? Also, I want to understand what "uploading to commons" means. Thanks! --HappyCamper 4 July 2005 05:17 (UTC)

Do you know what license the image is under? You should be able to find the right tag at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. "Uploading to commons" means uploading the file at instead of here. This should only be done for free images. The advantage of doing that is that all Wikimedia projects in all languages will be able to use the image, rather than it being available only to the English Wikipedia. The disadvantage is that you will need to create a new account on the Commons since we don't yet have single login. Angela. July 4, 2005 05:40 (UTC)

Images not showing up

At List of UN peacekeeping missions, the flags recently stopped showing up. I can't figure out what the problem is for the life of me, and so I'm starting to think it may be with me not WP. But, I noticed it happened right after a recent edit I made, so I could have screwed up the table somehow. Could someone take a look at it and see if either you can see the flags (and it's me) or if there's something wrong with the formatting I did. Any help is appreciated. --Dmcdevit 4 July 2005 07:31 (UTC)

When I look at the article the flags are fine. Are they still missing for you? If so, you might try clearing your browser's cache (see Wikipedia:Bypass your cache). -- Rick Block (talk) July 4, 2005 16:20 (UTC)
And I can see them now, too. I had cleared my cache and eveerything else I could think of. But, oh well, it's working now. Thanks for your time anyway, :) --Dmcdevit 4 July 2005 19:31 (UTC)

Copyright stuff


I would like to know this: if I download a picture from internet (like copy - paste) in order to upload at Wikipedia, Wikipedia states that I should provide link to the picture and copyright stuff as well. Well, I don't know how to check a picture whether it's copyrighted or not. Where does a file hide those information?

Thank you for your help!

Lifer 21

They are all copyrighted unless they say they are not. Yes, really. -- Cyrius| 4 July 2005 08:29 (UTC)
  • Copyright info is generally given on the site where the pic came from and not stored in the file itself. - Mgm|(talk) July 4, 2005 08:35 (UTC)
I think as a general rule: if you don't understand copyright, on no account upload any images to Wikipedia, unless they are photographs you took of people or places. Wikipedia can get in serious legal trouble if you guess wrong, or just decide you really want the image anyway. Since almost everything on the internet is copyright (even if it does not say so), think of finding suitable images as a rare (and pleasant) surprise. There are a lot of articles which can just never have (legal) illustrations, and others which will need some generous person to take new photographs and release them for use. Notinasnaid 4 July 2005 08:51 (UTC)

Linking to material with uncertain copyright status

Hello. I'm working on the Karl Rove article, and I'm curious to know what the Wikipedia policy is on linking to a 3rd party that has a copy of a copyrighted article with no apparent permission of the copyright holder. In this case, in that article is a link to a copy of a New Yorker article that is hosted on a non-New Yorker web site, with no mention of re-publishing or re-printing permission from the publishers of the New Yorker or the original authors. I searched the WP FAQ and elsewhere, but nothing seems to directly address this question. What is the Wikipedia policy on linking to external sites that have dubious copyright status? I've also highlighted this link in the Talk:Karl Rove page. Thank you. --NightMonkey July 4, 2005 09:53 (UTC)

Personally, I would avoid linking to info with dubious copyright status. If, however, the original New Yorker article isn't available online or in a book somewhere for readers to track down, I wouldn't object to this particular link. - Mgm|(talk) July 4, 2005 10:37 (UTC)
OK, that's your personal policy. But what is Wikipedia's policy? In this case, The New Yorker does offer back issues for sale, so, the site being linked to is defrauding the New Yorker out of direct income. Really, there should be a policy on this - one way or another. --NightMonkey July 4, 2005 21:55 (UTC)

Positioning an image

Is it possible with wiki-software to position an image on a specific place in the article, apart from left, center and right ? Look at the article Apple. To avoid a large blank space at the right side of the TOC, I've put an image in this space. It only works when I put the image on the left side. But I'd rather have the TOC on the left side, the image in the middle and the taxobox on the right side. I know this lay-out could easily be done in Dreamweaver by using a layer, but can it be done with a wiki-table or is there such a thing as a wiki-layer ? JoJan 4 July 2005 12:34 (UTC)

  • I've tried to using a < div >, but on screens with a large resolution the edit link of the section below that has jumped to a spot between the image and the taxobox...:( - Mgm|(talk) July 4, 2005 13:09 (UTC)

mount ? in central crete assoc with zeus worship

Removal of Infobox parameters

I wanted to ask whether the removal of certain parameters within an infobox is possible. For example, Relic Entertainment is owned by THQ, so listing a revenue figure is not applicable/possible. Druidika 4 July 2005 15:26 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Infobox templates.--Patrick 4 July 2005 16:24 (UTC)

FAQ on how to contribute to Wikipedia?

I assume that there is an FAQ that answers my questions, but I would like a pointer to it.

Here are my questions at this time:

1. Some articles, such as Racism in the United States, have headings with no text. Is it reasonable to assume that this means that there is agreement that text is needed, and that volunteers are requested to add the text, which can then be reviewed and discussed, etc.?

2. If I think that I can make a useful addition to an existing article, should I just click on Edit this page, or is there anything else that I should do instead?

3. Are there any limitations on adding articles about places in the United States that do not have articles about them?

I think that I can contribute to Wikipedia, but I don't want to do anything offensive. Thank you.

    - -   Robert McClenon

Your answers are yes, yes, and no. But there is a chance there will be debate about certain places. There is a FAQ page at wikipedia:FAQ. Howabout1 Talk to me! July 4, 2005 18:34 (UTC)

Which Copyright notice?

I recently added some excerpts from the 1935 opera Porgy and Bess. The images are:

The opera is still in copyright, and will expire in europe in 2007, and in the USA c.2020. These excerpts form less than 1% of the work and should be OK, but what copyright notice should I use? (I'm currently using "Fairold") Thanks --Alexs letterbox 4 July 2005 23:52 (UTC)

Jack Russel Injury

My Jack was attacked by a large dog, I cant afford a vet. A dog bit him(Edger) at the top of one of his front legs and he has a swollen area between his sholder and ribs the size of 2 golf balls. I think it may be a colapsed lung or broken ribs. Any sugestions would be very thankful. Andy

Please take factual questions to the reference desk. Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 5 July 2005 00:27 (UTC)


Are lyrics a copy vio? I was involved in avotes for deletion that deleted lyrics and i was wondering if all lyrics were copy vios. Jobe6 July 5, 2005 00:32 (UTC)

Ya. I think they are. At least someone told me not to post them a while ago. Howabout1 Talk to me! July 5, 2005 01:27 (UTC)

If the lyrics are still under copyright and unless permisson is granted for them to be reproduced here, then they are violations of copyright. This would apply to the vast majority of modern popular music, to which I presume you are referring. --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 5 July 2005 02:47 (UTC)

Non-Neutral POV

I have read an article that is (in my opinion) mostly very good, but one section of it is very biased. I know that I could simply rewrite it. However, that could start an edit war, something that I want to avoid. I have seen sections that have an annotation "The objectivity of this section has been disputed". That is what I would like to do. How do I flag the section as having disputed objectivity? I know that comments should then be taken to the Talk Page.

    - -     Robert McClenon
I think you're looking for the NPOV-section tag. Insert {{NPOV-section}} just before the biased section. It will look like this:
Stop! The neutrality of this section is disputed.
Here is the biased section.
Good luck. Sietse 5 July 2005 05:34 (UTC)

Thank you. I did that. I think that I don't yet understand what the procedures are for dealing with neutrality disputes. I posted my own comments as to what was wrong with the section on the talk page. Should I just wait a few days for more comments?

I see that I can add a link to the talk page from the Requests for Comments page, but I don't understand exactly what the markup is for the link.

    - -     Robert McClenon

Problem about parameters of a template

How can I do to make parameters that are undefined (but not assigned empty strings) not be displayed?
Example: {{t|a}} (using Template:t containing "{{{1}}}{{{2}}}") gives a{{{2}}}. Now I want the "{{{2}}}" to disappear. Upssdr 5 July 2005 04:22 (UTC)


How do I un-edit an edit I made and delete my account?  Thank you.
For reverting a page to an earlier version, see the explanation on Wikipedia:How to revert a page to an earlier version. If someone else has edited the page after the edit you want to remove, you'll have to remove the edit manually by editing the page.
You can't delete your account, see Wikipedia:Changing username, but you can ask an admin to delete your user and user talk page by adding {{db|user request}} tags to the pages in your user space that you want to delete.
I hope this answers your questions. Sietse 5 July 2005 07:19 (UTC)

Link about India


When I am a citizen of BHARAT (INDIA)

When I clicked on this link. I for some nonsense text. Please restore the correct information or just remove this link from your website.

Thanks in advance,

Hari Kishan

Thanks for reporting the problem (it's been fixed). Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. Some users find this hard to believe and make minor changes to articles "just to see" if it's true. Other users actively vandalize. Nearly all such changes are quickly reverted. For more on this topic, please see Wikipedia:Dealing with vandalism. -- Rick Block (talk) July 5, 2005 06:43 (UTC)

Can an article be both a stub and marked for attention?

Is it wrong to do the following:


Some article about whatever


Excession 5 July 2005 08:34 (UTC)

  • Of course you can do that. Just avoid multiple stub templates and if possible keep the number of templates at the top to a bare minimum as well. Two tags are quite reasonable and not wrong at all. - Mgm|(talk) July 5, 2005 10:40 (UTC)

The integrity of information

Good day.

I'm am a first time visitor and very impressed! I have had a look through the FAQ's and have not seen a similar question:

"How is the integrity of information protected and what kind of weight does the information carry, as I can edit information?"

Thank you. Cobus J. van Wyk

  • It's not. Anyone can come and put in vandalism or false information in articles. However, there are so many willing contributors, that vandalism is reverted on average within 5mins, and false information can be corrected by anyone. Elfguy 5 July 2005 12:12 (UTC)


I am disgusted that on the page that should be carrying Information about India there is a line proclaiming 'Hi India is stupid'.

What is the meaning of this ?

  • You just happened to go on the page just after someone vandalised it. Most vandalism is corrected within 5mins, but as you should know Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, so people do engage in vandalism. Elfguy 5 July 2005 12:10 (UTC)
  • Watch out for certain photos that show who did it. For example, if it was an Anonymex, you would see this:


Wikipedia Monitoring

How does one become a Wikipedia adminastrator? Do you have to go to an interview officially or are they chosen via Wikimunnity? --Anti-Anonymex2 5 July 2005 12:37 (UTC)

  • You can contribute fully as a normal user, by editing articles, monitoring the recent changes page, or reverting vandalism. Administrators simply have the ability to ban repeating vandals and protect pages in extreme situations. Admins are trusted users who have done thousands of edits and have been nominated by other users. Elfguy 5 July 2005 13:54 (UTC)
  • Response: How do you nominate users?--Anti-Anonymex2 5 July 2005 13:59 (UTC)
    • Administrators are chosen on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. If you want to become an administrator, you can either nominate yourself there, or you can be nominated by another user. The Wikipedia community determines whether you become an admin by means of a voting procedure. Many people who vote on RFA have various requirements for promotion to administrator. For example, many users think that someone with less than, say, 1000 edits does not have enough experience for being a good administrator. You can get a rough idea of the standards of people who regularly vote on RFA on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Standards . Good luck, Sietse 5 July 2005 14:00 (UTC)


Hi, I have an old (9 years or more) Sony handycam Hi 8 but I'm seriously considering to by a DCR-HC90 MiniDV. Can anyone tell me if I'm doing the right thing or whether or not I should look at different types of camcorder and model. Also can I record my Hi8 to MiniDV? Your replies are very welcomed. Lee

county recreation area

I was just surfing the web, and I reviewed an area by hatfield, and I am interested in camping out by arbutus lake. I did see a county recreation area on the lake. How do I contact you via telephone to ask about camping there?

                              Thank You
                             Steve Parker
You can ask questions about factual topics (eg. Who is the pope?) at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Good luck, Sietse 5 July 2005 14:12 (UTC)
Acctually, you cannot contact anyone here via telephone. This is an encyclopedia, not a campground book. Howabout1 Talk to me! July 5, 2005 16:59 (UTC)

Number of contributions

How do I check how many contributions I have made? Forgive my ignorance if this has been answered elsewhere. --Commander Keane 5 July 2005 14:08 (UTC)

Problem with viewing templates

I cannot view certain templates, such as Chicago Television stations (i.e., what is located at the bottom of an article such as WGN-TV when I'm logged in. I think this problem started when the upgrade was made. I asked this in the Village Pump, but I didn't receive a responce. Is there anything I can do, or is this a bug with the upgrade? ErikNY 5 July 2005 17:32 (UTC)

What exactly do you see, and what skin preference and browser do you use? -- Rick Block (talk) July 5, 2005 17:48 (UTC)
I don't see anything when I'm logged in, and I'm using Internet Explorer version 6 and MonoBook skin. ErikNY 5 July 2005 17:50 (UTC)
I had similar problems using MonoSkin and Mozilla 5 earlier this evening, but now everything works fine again. Can you check if the problem has gone away for you too? Sietse 5 July 2005 18:18 (UTC)
I've had the problem for a while, and I don't know what to do. It doesn't simply go away. ErikNY 5 July 2005 18:51 (UTC)
  • Can you give us a screenshot? - Mgm|(talk) July 5, 2005 19:10 (UTC)

Artist named Bohmiet or simular

Please ask your question in more detail on the reference desk which is meant for factual questions like this. - Mgm|(talk) July 5, 2005 19:11 (UTC)


I have received an e-mail saying I may use the material on a page that has been marked for copy-vio. Do I just remove the message and explain why on the talk page? Or is there something more? Howabout1 Talk to me! July 5, 2005 21:24 (UTC)

  • You should be aware that simple permission to use may not be enough. For example, if the permission is specific to Wikipedia, then the material may not be used by anyone who (legally) copies Wikipedia content. If the permission is specific to a specific article, then it leave a hidden boobytrap for later editors who may copy the text. If the permission adds constraints such as verbatim reproduction or reproduction with a specific notice, then you're leaving similar boobytraps for editors who might modify the article. Basically, unless the permission in question is effectively an explicit licence of the material under the GFDL (or a more free licence, such as a release into the public domain) then you still can't use it. In general, by adding text to Wikipedia, you're warranting that it is released under the GFDL (but the issue is slightly more complex for images). See Wikipedia:Contributing FAQ#I have, or can get, special permission to copy an image or article to Wikipedia. Is it OK to do that?.
If you believe you can pass this hurdle, I suggest that you explain why on Wikipedia:Copyright problems, or raise it on Wikipedia:Requested copyright examinations. Bovlb 2005-07-06 01:07:31 (UTC)

Well actually, the problem is copyrighted text. If I simply re-wrote it or got rid of it, would that be enough to disscuss, then remove the notice? Howabout1 Talk to me! July 6, 2005 02:11 (UTC)

  • If you remove the copyrighted text and put your own then sure you can just remove the notice. Elfguy 6 July 2005 02:33 (UTC)
  • But be sure to leave a note so administrators can delete the copyvio from the history. - Mgm|(talk) July 6, 2005 05:11 (UTC)


Hi there ! I know I might be posting this at the wrong place, but I really couldn't find any other posting area, so thought I might make a post at the help desk. The section named, '100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock' has been severely vandalised. I tried all I could to restore it. But since I joined just this evening, maybe I dont have enough permission to edit, and restore, or I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Kindly look into it. Regards, Grooveguru

I found a good version in the article's history and reverted it back to that version. In the future, you can just look at the article's history and go back through versions until you find one that looks right. Then hit "edit this page", put a note in the edit summary about "reverting vandalism", and save it. You can ignore the warning about "editing an out-of-date version" in this case. Hope that helps! —HorsePunchKid July 5, 2005 22:55 (UTC)

Can I use animation?

Are there any animation formats that I can use in Wikipedia articles?

Nope, I don't think so. Sorry. Hermione1980 6 July 2005 00:14 (UTC)
Only animated GIF, for now. One day we'll allow animated SVGs or one of the moving PNG formats, but browser (and indeed edit) support for these is so far much too poor. We don't support flash (and, unless the licence changes radically, we never will). Animation isn't necessary for most articles (although I'm jealous of which has some very nice animations for internal combusion engine motion). Before you undertake making the animation (as it can be a lot of work) I'd recommend floating the idea on the article in question's talk page - that way you can be (fairly) confident that your animation will meet with an appreciative audience, and your effort won't be wasted. A very nice example of a good, encyclopedic animation can be found at roundabout. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 6, 2005 00:18 (UTC)

Thanks! Synaptidude 6 July 2005 01:05 (UTC)

Visited links color

Wha ... my visited links just changed from purple to hot pink. If I backtrack through my cache, the prior are still purple so I don't think my browser went "pink" on me. Unvisited links are still the same blue as usual. Anybody else? hydnjo talk 6 July 2005 01:10 (UTC)

This seems to be happening only with Classic skin, MonoBook is as it was, purple. hydnjo talk 6 July 2005 01:43 (UTC)
Anything more muted would do. The hot pink is, well, is too hot. Very distracting. I don't know how to enter color codes but if I did, it wouldn't be the current choice as it hurts my eyes. Thanks for your concern, hydnjo talk 6 July 2005 02:37 (UTC)
How about going back to where it was about 2 hours ago which was the same as is currently being used for the MonoBook skin. hydnjo talk 6 July 2005 02:53 (UTC)
In RGB it used to be about: 144 81 191. hydnjo talk 6 July 2005 03:31 (UTC)
I'm still trying to find the root cause of this change. It didn't happen on it's own. Somebody changed something. I'm asking for help to identify the source of this change. I'm sure that someone was trying to make things beter but it didn't do so. I'm asking the more savy members of this community to direct me to the person who made this change (in good faith, I'm sure) so that I can comment to him/her as to my perceived results. And, I'm not having much success. Does anyone know who did this? hydnjo talk 6 July 2005 04:48 (UTC)

Change Time Format from 24 Hour to 12 Hour

Is there any way to change "23:00" into "11:00p"? The 24 hour clock is killing me. I wish there was a setting in Preferences to do this, like I can with the dates. i.e. From "April 23" to "23 April".--Muchosucko 6 July 2005 03:19 (UTC)

  • Not that I know of. Why do it anyway. The 24 hour clock is international while a.m. and p.m. designations may change per country. - Mgm|(talk) July 6, 2005 05:09 (UTC)
    • That's no reason not to allow localization, though. As long as MediaWiki is capable of parsing the format you enter so that it can present it to other users in their preferred locale... —HorsePunchKid July 6, 2005 05:13 (UTC)
  • By all means, if it can be done like the dates, that's fine. I'm just wondering what's wrong with a 24 hour clock. - Mgm|(talk) July 6, 2005 08:08 (UTC)
    • Yes please, someone do that if it's technologically possible. I'd do it myself, but I'm dumb. The 24 Hr clock is very unatural (see 1984). It's hard to read. For example: what is 20:00 hours? I have to subtract 12 to get to 8pm. Why bother when you can just say 8pm? Why? I think a VAST majority of people will say to thier loved ones, "Honey, let's go to dinner at 8pm." Rather than, "Honey, let's go to dinner at 20:00." At least, I wouldn't. Maybe you guys do.--Muchosucko 6 July 2005 12:36 (UTC)

mistake done

i have edited one of your pages by mistake ?????????????????? what do i do  ?????????? can you guys fix it back please

editing Cyrillic

I've noticed parts of articles in the English wikipedia written in Cyrillic looks something like &#1042 &#1080 &#1082 when you go in to edit them. As you might imagine it is not too easy to edit these entries for typos and so on. When I edit articles in the Russian wikipedia, I have no such problem. Is this a problem on my end or is this simply a feature of the English wikipedia? --Pravit 6 July 2005 05:35 (UTC)

It's the result of a limitation of the English Wikipedia that did not allow for Unicode characters to be stored except in an encoded manner. This limitation has been removed during the Mediawiki upgrade, and such encoded characters can be replaced with their unencoded equivalents. -- Cyrius| 6 July 2005 09:02 (UTC)

FAQ on links, URLs, and wikification

I am looking for an FAQ on what the details of the markup language are to add links.

For instance, and in particular: How do I add a link from the Requests for Comments page to a Talk Page?

- - Robert McClenon

...and the link syntax is described at Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page#Links_and_URLs. -- Rick Block (talk) July 6, 2005 13:44 (UTC)

Back to top link

how can i create a "Back to top" link at the end of certain sections that will take me back to the top of the page?

I use the Home key on my keyboard, no need to clutter the page.--Patrick 6 July 2005 13:05 (UTC)
... and a link to any non-existent section name will do it, e.g. #top. -- Rick Block (talk) July 6, 2005 13:47 (UTC)

Random Page

I love the Random page feature for a spot of casual browsing. But sometimes (not always) it just returns the same page every time. Why? Could it be something to do with IE temporary file settings?

Yeah, it's probably the cache. See Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 6, 2005 17:15 (UTC)

Scott Parker

WRT disambiguity, there is perhaps a third "Scott Parker", namely a Harley Davison racer. (I know that Scott Parker the NHL player likes motorcyles and owns at least one HD, so I can't rule out the possibility they are one and the same.)

audio on pronunciation page?

hi, everyone.

i was checking out this page:

it is a list of words with hotly debated pronunciations.

is there any reasonable way to get a recording of these pronunciations on the page? or must one rely on deciphering the IPA?

just curious.

ok, thanks to anyone who responds.

-- dreme

Yes, you can add audio to page of wiki if you'd like. Confer this. You can record your pronunciations of the words, save it to a .ogg file, and up load it to wikiepdia.--Muchosucko 6 July 2005 16:36 (UTC)
If you'd like to request the article be rendered into audio, the method for making that request is at Category:Spoken Wikipedia requests. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 6, 2005 16:46 (UTC)

What is a "top" edit?

Once in a while one of my edits has this (top) label next to it. Why? What information am I supposed to get from this label? Thanks in advance for any answers. -- Rune Welsh ταλκ July 6, 2005 19:42 (UTC)

I think it means that your edit was the most recent one for that page MyNameIsClare talk 6 July 2005 19:47 (UTC)
I see. Thanks! -- Rune Welsh ταλκ July 6, 2005 20:21 (UTC)


How do I get on the list of every image by jpg code?--Yo Mama 5000 6 July 2005 20:29 (UTC)

Unknown Articles

Can one write an article if the subject seems unfamiliar to the administrators?--Anti-Anonymex2 6 July 2005 21:50 (UTC)

Regardless of whether the subject is familiar or not to anyone, you need to cite your sources for everything in the article. That way we can prevent anyone from adding made-up crap. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 6, 2005 22:01 (UTC)

I wrote an article with information only within the confines of Wikipedia. My article is the only information. The article is Anonymex and it is up for deletion. Check it out and tellme if it fits this criteria..--Anti-Anonymex2

You didn't cite your sources. So how can anyone tell it's not made-up crap? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 6, 2005 23:52 (UTC)

Claiming a username which was grabbed by a vandal

Hi, I'm running an interwiki bot on de: and many other Wikipedias. I'm using the username 'Zwobot' on all these sites. Now I wanted to create a similar account on en:, but I noticed that a vandal has grabbed this username: User:Zwobot. He used it only once [2], obviously pretending to be me (he used a machine-translated German summary text).

Is it possible to delete this account in order to make it possible for me to recreate it? --Head July 6, 2005 22:40 (UTC)


Hi, I have recently moved to Puerto Rico from New York and I have been a electrician helper for quite a while, But I notice that the main electrical box is attached to the cement walls, with no wood board behind it like in new york, and that the master electricians here attach the green and the neutral in the same line for grounding. I am very confused, I believe that is double grounding, and quite dangerous, I spoke to the electrician and he said it doesnt matter that it will work just the same, I say green goes to ground (earth)and neutral is neutral a return for the hot wire. there has been a few electrical fires around here and I have been trying to explain to the electricians that the green should go to the right side of the panel where a small screw is with a gromet and the green to the left side. I am very confused. am i right or are they right.? they also attach the green wire to the metal box in the ceiling or the wall receptacle. I also told them that cement is a conductor of electricity and that the main breaker box should be on a wood panel and not straight into the cement.well I need to help, so I can help. thank you very much

Go to the wikipedia:reference desk. Howabout1 Talk to me! July 6, 2005 22:53 (UTC)


While on RC Patrol today, I noticed on some pages that after I tagged it with {{delete}} , the page history only shows my edit. Why doesn't the original IP edit (who created the page) show up? I've noticed this in the past as well- I tagged a page, and decided to leave {{test}} on the IP page, and there was no history (except for my edit)! Hmm... interesting. Anyways, thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 6 July 2005 23:32 (UTC)

What happened is that while you were editing the page to add the {{delete}} tag, someone else deleted the page. Your edit recreated the page. Innocent mistake, and will be cleared up quickly. Yours, Meelar (talk) July 6, 2005 23:42 (UTC)

mistakenly created doubled entry - "Lillooet" vs "Lillooet, British Columbia"

When I revised the older "Lillooet" item, which was simply a redirect to the "St'at'imc" page (St'at'imc is the proper name of the Lillooet native people) I did not realize that there was already extant a page on the town of Lillooet, which is "Lillooet, British Columbia", and from the "British Columbia communities list" linked from that page I gather that town names are supposed to have their state/province name attached to them in that manner (or not?).

As you'll see my entry is a bit more thorough in its description of this town's rich history but I am wondering how to merge the two entries, as it seems clear I cannot simply delete one; what I could do, if I understand your system right, is to restore the redirect to "St'at'imc" as well as have a second redirect to the "Lillooet, British Columbia" page, and integrate my information into that page where it should have gone at first. The reason I revamped the original "Lillooet" (stand-alone name) entry was because that, typed into your search, should not just bring up a list of communities of the St'at'imc Nation without any reference to the town.

Please advise. Thank you.

Mike Cleven (q.v.)

Yep, that sounds right. You're not the first person to write a whole article and then discover it already existed under another name :) Our search engine isn't perfect, we admit. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 7, 2005 00:19 (UTC)
I think in this case it would be proper to change Lillooet into a disambiguation page -- a list of possible uses of the title -- rather than a redirect. See Wikipedia:Disambiguation for details. — Catherine\talk 7 July 2005 00:36 (UTC)

Thomas Jefferson page history missing

The page history prior to 00:14, 10 June 2005 is missing from Thomas Jefferson], see


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